# [\#11 Issue](https://github.com/milahu/alchi/issues/11) `open`: human overpopulation is hyperinflation

#### <img src="https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/12958815?v=4" width="50">[milahu](https://github.com/milahu) opened issue at [2022-06-16 16:26](https://github.com/milahu/alchi/issues/11):

**log scale graph**

human population growth over 10000 years by bryan long 2009 at http://econosystemics.com/?p=9

![world-population-chart econosystemics com p=9 world population growth over 12000 years by bryan long 2009](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/12958815/174104022-c3a9baa6-421e-4f70-a5b8-627efb852628.jpg)

**linear scale graph**

human population growth over 10000 years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Population_curve.svg

![Population_curve wikipedia 10000 years linear scale svg](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/12958815/174105870-a62e8087-d36b-4be9-acda-312e6b22f14e.png)

**quantity vs quality**

humans vs biodiversity over 1000 years

![human population vs species extinction RQnHu42](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/12958815/174106321-a7b209d4-8d15-4ace-83b7-1367ac72020b.jpeg)

human population vs species extionction

![human population vs species extionction](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/12958815/180243335-3d236db4-adf7-4b8e-9117-bfe9090f5c5d.jpg)


**exceeding the carrying capacity**

consequences of exceeding K
K = carrying capacity of the habitat

currently we are heading for the red line (collapse to zero)
the only way to get on the blue line (collapse to near-zero) is global mass murder (mostly via man-made famines)

![overpopulation  consequences of exceeding k the carrying capacity](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/12958815/174103234-84f798c7-7ca4-46df-ad99-f81b2d5e3be5.jpeg)

**mass extinctions**

mass extinctions over 500 million years

![mass extinctions over 500 million years WIEEPnp](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/12958815/174107533-ec5c0178-cf01-49ce-9020-a2415046445a.jpeg)

**peak oil**

oil is a proxy for finite resources

humans exploit many finite resources, and most of them follow a similar trend ...

examples:

* lithium for batteries
* [phosphor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_phosphorus) for fertilizer
* [natural rubber](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210308-rubber-the-wonder-material-we-are-running-out-of) for tires

A Brief History of Oil and Humans

based on https://peakprosperity.com/the-really-really-big-picture/

![A Brief History of Oil and Humans svg](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/12958815/180270143-0c1b8dd7-e172-48ab-b44e-516535f5d7aa.png)

**planet of the humans**

movie by michael moore (type M3)

[Michael Moore Presents: Planet of the Humans | Full Documentary | Directed by Jeff Gibbs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE)

bittorrent magnet link
`magnet:?xt=urn:btih:c424a7a79441b8ce5362320c906da88c65fee7f6&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.opentrackr.org%3a1337%2fannounce`

**growth busters**

[GrowthBusters: Hooked on Growth - the Movie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w0LiBsVFBo)

> This groundbreaking documentary challenges our beliefs linking growth with prosperity and fulfillment. The film explores how our attitudes toward economic growth, consumption and population growth prevent rational responses to evidence we’ve outgrown the planet. 
> 
> More info at [https://www.growthbustersmovie.org](https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbFp6SDQyQjNmNVhJN3VYZHBKdXBIQjZZY09sUXxBQ3Jtc0tucV9nVXduX3UzVTNZNnFkNXc5VWI0cDVELTY3LVZpTXZOM3hCeVdFUTJJMU96VmplODR1SkNfZVdHM0JxaUhfb3ZGalhBLWx4N2t2cGRVZzJad3J1cUhMRWtjRGdEZlRlNjFJX2p5WlNHUG5uUXRxTQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.growthbustersmovie.org%2F&v=_w0LiBsVFBo)
> Check out the GrowthBusters podcast at [https://www.growthbusters.org/podcast/](https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbU1LUTlaRlM3dlRHMXJKaG5DdVh0N1ktdjhDUXxBQ3Jtc0tuWDRHYUhLa3ZfdTNIN1dqWEJFdlRtcEJUMmMybDljRl9TVFBobVB0aHhiVTJFc2h1RjdRSWw5bjFpSjA0ZkZrVHIyeVQ0U1NvZ3VkYnVMSTl5a3JGOXNQaTJmUk80dk9EeUNPMjdJRmpKOWJnakFxNA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.growthbusters.org%2Fpodcast%2F&v=_w0LiBsVFBo)
> 
> In this David vs. Goliath story, filmmaker Dave Gardner shares his own personal story of daring to challenge our growth-worshipping system. He is rebuked by elected officials who are deacons of the church of growth everlasting. He takes on millionaire real-estate developers enriched by public growth subsidies, and he tackles economists who spin pro-growth propaganda.
> 
> GrowthBusters weaves the tale of Gardner’s efforts to wean his hometown from growth addiction, with examination of the most critical global issues of our time. Interviews with leading thinkers, animation and humorous skits debunk the “grow or die” myth. Cultural myths and taboos are exposed and explored.
> 
> Providing a ray of hope, the film also profiles groups and individuals exploring alternatives and moving the world toward true sustainability.
> 
> Stanford Biologist Paul Ehrlich: "This could be the most important film ever made."



**but in the end, it doesnt even matter**

> I tried so hard, And got so far
> But in the end, It doesn't even matter
> 
> I had to fall, To lose it all
> But in the end, It doesn't even matter

[Linkin Park - In the end](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xubrxJwLxaI)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future

> 800–900 million years in the future
> 
> Carbon dioxide levels will fall to the point at which [C4 photosynthesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C4_carbon_fixation) is no longer possible.[[75]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future#cite_note-Heath_Doyle_2009-76) Without plant life to recycle oxygen in the atmosphere, free oxygen and the ozone layer will disappear from the atmosphere allowing for intense levels of deadly UV light to reach the surface. In the book The Life and Death of Planet Earth, authors [Peter D. Ward](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_D._Ward) and [Donald Brownlee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Brownlee) state that some animal life may be able to survive in the oceans. Eventually, however, all multicellular life will die out.[[77]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future#cite_note-bd2_6_1665-78) At most, animal life could survive about 100 million years after plant life dies out, with the last animals being animals that do not depend on living plants such as [termites](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termite) or those near [hydrothermal vents](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrothermal_vent) such as [worms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worm) of the genus [Riftia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riftia).[[68]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future#cite_note-swansong2-69) The only life left on the Earth after this will be single-celled organisms.

#### <img src="https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/12958815?v=4" width="50">[milahu](https://github.com/milahu) commented at [2022-06-22 08:52](https://github.com/milahu/alchi/issues/11#issuecomment-1162831530):

und sowieso ...

[Georgia Guidestones](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones)

> 1\. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

also kollaps zu 500 millionen menschen.
aktuell haben wir 8.000 millionen menschen.
500 / 8000 = 6 / 100 ... also ungefähr 5 / 100
das heisst 95 müssen sterben um 5 zu retten

passt ungefähr zu meinem intro

> Zuerst die schlechte Nachricht: In den nächsten 5 Jahren werden 90 von 100 Menschen sterben. Das ist kein Zufall, sondern physikalisch notwendig, um 10 von 100 Menschen zu retten.

> 2\. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.

definiere "diversity" ... wie wärs mit "gerechte verteilung von persönlichkeitstypen"?
in jedem dorf (144 menschen) gibt es genau 36 menschen von jedem der 4 typen.
"diversity" kann man auch rassistisch definieren (äussere werte, oberflächlich, positiver rassismus).

"fitness" klingt einfach, aber dazu müssen wir serienmord normalisieren, aka "natürliche selektion".
zivilisation macht nur passive selektion (typ 4, passiver geist, beihilfe zu suizid, fallen stellen) ...
aber das ist zu einseitig, zu langsam, unterm strich zu ineffizient (siehe die letzten 2000 jahre)

> 6\. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.

selbstjustiz. innenpolitik ist privatsache. kultur-mosaik. separatismus. sezession.
aber definiere "nation" ... wie wärs mit "eine gruppe von dörfern"? (bündnis, foedus)
fragt sich nur: wie groß soll diese gruppe sein? ... damit selbstorganisation funktioniert.
man braucht mehrere dörfer für ...
vermeiden von inzucht
spezialisierung, arbeitsteilung, handel
puffern von ernteausfällen (versicherung)
kleinkriege zwischen dörfern (selektion und training)

#### <img src="https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/12958815?v=4" width="50">[milahu](https://github.com/milahu) commented at [2022-07-12 10:43](https://github.com/milahu/alchi/issues/11#issuecomment-1181605035):

[Delete The Garbage. World Cure. RD9 Virus. The Brothers Grimsby 2016](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGG0Nq3BwqQ)

> It's a virus called RD9. Or as I like to call it, World Cure.
> 
> At the end of the game
> every one in the stadium will be infected.
> 
> It should take two to three weeks
> for symptoms to start showing up.
> 
> By which time 96 000 fans
> from almost every country in the world
> will be back home
> spreading the disease.
> 
> Why are you doing this?
> 
> Well, think about it.
> 
> We have seven billion people
> running around on a planet
> that can only hold five.
> 
> I'm just trying to make the world
> a better place, that's all.
> 
> By deleting the surplus.
> 
> "Cure the world."
> 
> And who exactly
> do you intend to "delete"?
> 
> The garbage.
> 
> The imbeciles who lie around drunk
> reproducing like rabbits.
> 
> And sitting there with their hand out
> expecting the rest of us to pay.
> 
> And let's be frank
> who's gonna miss them anyway?
> 
> You are!
> 
> No, haha .... kill him

#### <img src="https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/12958815?v=4" width="50">[milahu](https://github.com/milahu) commented at [2022-07-12 10:45](https://github.com/milahu/alchi/issues/11#issuecomment-1181606684):

[Utopia 2020 villain speech](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2QNnoqc3XU)

> what did you do today
> to earn your place in this crowded world?

#### <img src="https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/12958815?v=4" width="50">[milahu](https://github.com/milahu) commented at [2022-07-12 11:00](https://github.com/milahu/alchi/issues/11#issuecomment-1181619570):

[The Matrix: Agent Smith Discusses Satanic Belief That Humanity Is A Cancer Extended](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-aT5sXnGgc?t=145)

> I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here.
> It came to me when I tried to classify your species.
> I realized that you're not actually mammals.
> 
> Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops
> a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment,
> but you humans do not.
> 
> You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply,
> until every natural resource is consumed.
> The only way you can survive is to spread to another area.
> 
> There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern.
> Do you know what it is?
> A virus.
> 
> Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet,
> you are a plague, and we are the cure.
>

#### <img src="https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/12958815?v=4" width="50">[milahu](https://github.com/milahu) commented at [2022-08-10 07:16](https://github.com/milahu/alchi/issues/11#issuecomment-1210261139):

pinned, because overpopulation is the number 1 problem worldwide

[Planet Of The Humans: Highly Recommended. by Gary Wockner](https://garywockner.medium.com/planet-of-the-humans-highly-recommended-61f6be6dc8b6) ([archive](https://web.archive.org/web/20220513182041/https://garywockner.medium.com/planet-of-the-humans-highly-recommended-61f6be6dc8b6))

<blockquote>

First and foremost, the film’s major premise is that **the American environmental movement completely ignores the “elephant in the room”, human population growth**. The filmmaker, Jeff Gibbs, as well as other experts interviewed in the film make this point several times:

· “Though each of them takes climate change seriously, every expert I talked to wanted to bring my attention to the same underlying problem.” — Jeff Gibbs

· “**There are too many human beings using too much, too fast**.” — Richard Heinberg

· “As a global community we have really got to start dealing with the issue of population.” — Steven Churchill

· “**Population growth continues to be, not the elephant, the herd of elephants in the room**.” — Nina Jablonski

There are, in fact, very few environmental groups that even have population programs — the [Center for Biological Diversity](https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/population_and_sustainability/) being a notable exception — while none of the groups highlighted in the film have population programs.


The famous environmentalist and Sierra Club Director, [David Brower](https://books.google.com/books?id=eXuLaGjYFR8C&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=population+is+pollution+spelled+inside+out&source=bl&ots=8hIq_HZeIX&sig=ACfU3U1LySIYuxL7lzmLWa7FpWE6Xii4Jg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjh17TYsYvpAhUGXM0KHd3_DEQQ6AEwAHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=population%20is%20pollution%20spelled%20inside%20out&f=false), once said that “Population is pollution spelled inside out”, but Brower’s successors at the Sierra Club have erased Brower’s population legacy at the Club. Further, **no environmental group — as in NONE — has a program about reducing population growth** in the U.S., a country whose rapidly growing populace is among the biggest consumers and polluters in the world.

</blockquote>

...why?
because there are no legal solutions.
because there are no peaceful solutions.
because we absolutely need more "death rate solutions" (paul ehrlich)
(death rate solutions increase the death rate)

#### <img src="https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/12958815?v=4" width="50">[milahu](https://github.com/milahu) commented at [2022-08-10 07:24](https://github.com/milahu/alchi/issues/11#issuecomment-1210268973):

[The elephant in the room: the role of interest groups in creating and sustaining the population taboo](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334092080_The_elephant_in_the_room_the_role_of_interest_groups_in_creating_and_sustaining_the_population_taboo_Author's_manuscript)

<blockquote>

In the mid-1990s, elements of the **social justice movement** joined **growthists** and **religious conservatives** in a veritable Greek chorus of **opposition to the problematisation of population growth**.

This unlikely alliance was highly successful in mainstreaming **population denialism** as well as **turning overpopulation into a taboo subject**, especially in the West.

In the quarter-century since, natural scientists, environmentalists, demographers, journalists and policy-makers have **systematically avoided problematising population growth**, with grave consequences to public awareness and debate as well as to interdisciplinary experts’ ability to properly diagnose the causes of and most effective remedies for climate change and a plethora of other **creeping catastrophes**.

In this chapter I trace the **ideological roots of population denialism** and the **taboo** to age-old growthist ideation in combination with the **shaming** discourse and **idealised expectations of human behaviour from late-18th-century utopian thought**.

**The problem of overpopulation has become vastly worse over the last 200 years or so, but the rhetorical strategies for dismissing and shutting down discussion on the issue have hardly changed.**

</blockquote>

[Climate Change Denial and Public Relations: Strategic Communication and Interest Groups in Climate Inaction](https://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=2E3093A298F55C109AC19890D9B2BD47) (mirrors &rarr; get)


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